Re: 1649 2047
 

You are right! More correctly the finger hitting the cervix or base of uterus! My mistake here (not the fallopian tube)

Re: 1649 2047
 

Alice @ 20-47, boobs are more the feminine type, even with a one-dollar areola, nothing worst or fantastic. I like these boobs which allows me to play to my heart's content without her complaining.

As for painting her pussy, she really enjoys it and the erect nipples show.

*Her pussy hair also not very bushy, quite nice to me.

RTF-Yes

Re: 1649 2047
 

I was shocked that your finger is so Long to reach to her Fallopian tube :eek:

Re: 1649 2047
 

My humble FR on Xia Tian, some weeks ago maybe forget details

I saw her when I was waiting for yu Tong last time. Her looks attracted me and she has shoulder length hair which makes her more OL looking
So when I was at 1606 thinking of who to call I thought of her. Have to wait a bit.

She is cheerful looking , and looks like Zhang Ai Jia in her youth days. Pretty lass. She is slim and petite around 1.5-1.6 not tall and has A+ cup boobies.
From southern China, guangxi I think

Nothing for me in shower just SOP shower. She has a foreplay routine but I asked for some kisses first which she unwillingly just peck me like a woodpecker. Not used to it she said. Proceeded with catbath and some lips kissing after I insisted (no tongue fight frenching) she seems ok if it’s just gentle kissing

Got into the mood, she did a rather good BBBJ sensual the way I like it.
FJ her in missionary position and had a nice pump till I cumm

She seems very new and needs to pack a bit more of gfe and services to become ang ang pai (heard from okt she quite hard to call so ang pai alread)

Overall 7/10 for me
Rtf yes but need to try others first

Re: 1649 2047
 

Haha.....i was wondering how to reach the fallopian tube. Must be really long and have the ability to wriggle. Or too powerful and poke thru. :D

Re: 1649 2047
 

I fully agree with your assessment on this newbie. Yuan Yuan who hailed from Guanxi stands at 1.60 m w/o heels. She is quite chio, slim and has B cup tits with brownish red protruding nips ... Very nice to suck and caress. She looks about 10% like Zoe Tay with minimal makeup. She is slim and somewhat fair. Her service was very good indeed! Frenchable, paintable and serviceable ... she definitely could offer a huge bang for your buck!

I shall FR her in due course. Folks, do stay tune if you are keen! ;)

Re: 1649 2047
 

Had a session with Ai Li Si yesterday at 2047.

First impression: A girl next door with slightly slit eyes and gentle look. Once stripped naked, true enough, the highlights are the big areolas on her B cup boobs. Body is slim in shape with a little butt flesh.

Service wise, after showering, a decent boob massage to start off the session, followed by catbath on the back. Then, she asked me to lift up my butt for AR with condom on her tongue, which was quite sexciting. The most surprising move from her was after the AR, she sat on my butt with my butt still lifted up, licked my balls and did a half somersault before lying down under me while giving me a BBBJ. I guess she might have some acrobatic training back in China.

What followed was the usual nipple sucking and BBBJ with me laying down on my back. I proceeded with missionary FJ to end things off. Seeing that pair of dark brown nipples of hers made me excited and high.

Overall, a good worthy WL with friendly attitude and decent service.

Re: 1649 2047
 

Had a go with Xia Tian (1649), a slightly tanned short-hair pleasant looking lady, from GuangXi. She claimed to be 1.63m tall, without heels. I guess she does not weigh more than 47 kg. Her boobs are B-, with right nipple slightly sunken in. To me, she is slim, sexy and highly sensual. When she met me, I saw her eyes lit up. A while later, she told me she liked what she saw (First time hearing from a WL this!) We had good casual conversation. In the shower, there was frenching and bj.
On the bed, it was a most scintillating experience! (No AR from her. She doesn't do). Catbath is somewhat SOP. I licked and painted her pussy for a while. Her caressing of ears, passionate frenching, bbbj were most sensual and delightful. Sex was extremely intense and intimate, mostly in cowgal and missionary positions. Pussy was very wet! It's always marvellous to see the grimace and ecstasy all over her face and hands gripping the bed hard with the intense thrusting. With intimate frenching, caressing, we sex for a full hour! Xia Tian said it was wonderful to mutually enjoy the hard sex! Excellent sex stamina! Surely must rtf!

Re: 1649 2047
 

I also managed to try 1649 Xia Tian, 24 years old
Shoulder length hair lass with beautiful slim teenager body. Pretty. Looks around 1.63m. Boobs B+ natural

Great full passionate service. She asked me my age and laughed when I said I was 24 same age. She said my cock was very hard and she was turned on as seldom have someone so young. Don't know real or not. Action started in the shower with frenching and her stroking my cock. I had to control myself as she slided her naked body on me and squatted down to suck me. On the bed, she told me that she can get naturally wet by playing with her pussy and asked me if I wanted to see. Of course I said yes. She fingered her clit and pulled my head to liplock. True enough she became soaking wet and started moaning into my mouth. She asked me to lie down and wanted to give me a bj but I was so turned on I asked her to fuck me immediately. So she just got on top and started to ride me. Wow. Her cowgirl position and moaning is out of this world and I can't control. She is tight and really pant after she cum. She said when she first started work she was shy but actually she enjoys sex a lot. A gem not to be missed. If you can hit her buttons, it will be an unforgettable experience.

RTF: Yes. For me, she has the complete package and truly one sizzling hot babe.

Re: 1649 2047
 

1649 小辣椒 Energizer Bunny No.2
- Yang Yang from Chongqing aged 25 yrs

I must say it has been a good start to 2018, or should I say started 2018 with many great bangs! All thanks to private recommendation from bro omnia, I’ve yet another 小辣椒 1649 Yang Yang in the bag.

1. Package
- 1.5ish m Petite with long black hair to her hips c/w natural full C boobs and brown inverted nips (erect fast once aroused); her dressing today actually spilled out her ample bosoms to “D”lightful effect
- look wise more gnd; slim, sporty and smooth complexion; will not look out of place with beach volleyball babes in sentosa
- thick bush which hides her delicate pussy lips ripe for plucking; I had a wonderful time tasting her sweet abalone (did not offer her pussy for licking but she opened up after she cummed from cowgal)
- had a great time fondling, kneading, sucking and licking her soft and tender fun bags

2. Service
- Very good for a newbie even though no AR and did not offer licking of pussy
- very passionate frenching comparable to departed 2060 Xiao Ai
- Skipped much of shower part cos I din want bbbj hence only catbath and boob massage
- on the bed, her capped bj (as per my request) was very good, sensually done with good suction (some parts almost deep throat); best amongst Xin Er, Chen Chen, Tian Xin IMHO

3. Lovemaking
- Likes my lovemaking sessions al naturale.
- She din apply JY gel and got wet easily
- started with her on cowgal; moist pussy was tight at the beginning coupled with she humps at times like an energizer bunny, sometimes alternating with sensual moves while clamping her vagina muscles to try choke my lil bro to submission; all the time we were engaging in passionate frenching (reminds of sessions with Xiao Ai again)
- bad move from her as she cummed first after I survived her onslaught
- immediately spread her legs to lick her cunt juices while she continued moaning from my attentive tongue- delicious
- pussy felt not as tight after cumming; but prepared her for the multiple positions to follow
- her pussy is not as shallow compared to TX, BB, XE, CC hence think she was able to withstand even heavier pounding; and in fact kept screaming for more
- Her petite frame and meaty bum is ideal for manipulating her body for multiple positions; my fav (and hers) was doggie and she screamed for me to pound ever faster;
- fully ravished her in multiple positions (cowgal, lotus, missionary, doggie, spooning, cowgal again, thirsting) while eyeing and sucking her jiggling peaks;
- when i tired out she tried to cowgal me to submission but I managed to outlast her and switched to Thirst position, ramming all the way to a most intense climax for the past month

Truly exhausting yet highly enjoyable session as she appears to have high sex drive and clearly enjoys sex. When I came out, I finally saw Yuan Yuan- very chio, elegant high class mistress look; yummy

Now I have 5 faves - 1608 Tian Xin, Xin Er, 1606 Chen Chen, 1649 Yang Yang and 2062 Anqi

Re: 1649 2047
 

Bro...CC @ 1606 :p

Re: 1649 2047
 

Bro

Tx for highlighting typo error!
Amended le

Re: 1649 2047
 

http://i64.tinypic.com/2nh3pdg.jpg

Pleasure Always :D

Re: 1649 2047
 

How do u get the okt to name her gals? I had a very bad experience. I went in and ask to Tian Tian. Okt said mensus. Saw 2 WLs sitting. One of them looked Choo. So I ask for their names and the okt was so rude. She impatiently said who u want. I asked her again for their names and she said both different names. Who u want?? I was so pissed that I stormed out of the house...

“Truly exhausting yet highly enjoyable session as she appears to have high sex drive and clearly enjoys sex. When I came out, I finally saw Yuan Yuan- very chio, elegant high class mistress look; yummy

Now I have 5 faves - 1608 Tian Xin, Xin Er, 1606 Chen Chen, 1649 Yang Yang and 2062 Anqi[/QUOTE]”

Re: 1649 2047
 

I often get a little bit confused by what these 1649 bosses want.

On one hand they’re so rude to customers, you would think they’ve earned enough money over the years and don’t care about business.

On the other hand, we’ve seen obvious promoters coming here to push their girls.

My take to the bosses ah Seng and whoever it is running their business, cut the crap promotional tactics of ms Geylang universe or whatever, and just ask your staff to be polite to customers and accommodate their requests.

That’s all you need to do.

No point you be rude, lose customers, then get someone to come in here to promote and argue with those who gave negative feedback.

Just my thoughts. No offense.

By the way, I do like the girls in their house especially the current ting ting and xiaoyu at 1649 and yao yao from 2047.

I will support this house’s girls, just hate the rudeness sometimes especially from aunty at 1649 and that ah peng at 2047.

But if they wish to continue like this, it’s up to them, it’s their own business they are ruining.

However, the sad part is their nice girls got affected by it too.

Re: 1649 2047
 

That’s why Ah Seng and Peter are good buddies :D

Re: 1649 2047
 

Uh huh.

I find that the best way to get your place packed with customers is:

1. Get a line-up of pretty girls for all different tastes - short, tall, meaty, thin, cute syt, sexy milf, etc.

2. Train them to give good service and attitude - shower action, catbath, AR, BBBJ, french and fuck in all positions humanly possible

3. Be polite and respectful to customers - listen to their requests and find the appropriate girls for their needs.

4. Make sure your house have good facilities - all around mirrors, clean bathroom in the bedrooms, comfy bed. In hallway, good viewing area for new or incoming customers to see all the girls CLEARLY and INSTANTLY (no need to walk, crane your neck or wait for girls to come out) as well as a private area for those shy customers who just want to wait quietly for their prefered girl.

THAT IS ALL.

Houses that met most of these requirements to me are (note that taste on girls is subjective but other requirements are not): 1615, 1654a, 1669, 1856, 2033, and 2040.

My take to small time runners/ customers like you is to look in the mirror. You said it right. All OKT wanna earn money. You got give OKT money they sure nice to you. Try order 3 session. Any house the OKT sure love you. So? Must be you are a fucking small spender, right?

Call $80 talk so much? You are the biggest OKT runner. You used to write FR after FR until the OKTs realise you're a fucking useless idiot and asked you to fuck off. Now you spend your time whining like a small kid online about OKTs bad service and their 'promotion'. Actually, you were the idiot writing all the promo FR.

Even more funny, you're such a fucking success can only afford $80 one round each time want to teach OKT towkays how to run business. HAHAHAHA

Fucker, this thread is for FR. You not happy with which OKT just go down and fuck them on the spot. Like I do. Grow some balls la bastard.

I fucking laugh my head off when I read that you expect OKT to call girls from other houses at least 3x before they can show you blackface. KNN you think you Andy Lau superstar ah? I never see anyone argue here about negative FR. I only see one small timer try to act like big fuck on sammyboy teach OKT do how to do business. LOL. You can only afford to call $80 and each time the OKT must be polite to you, pour you coffee, call 3 rounds of girls for you to view. You worry about your own income lah.

So you have a small store selling nasi lemak. The customer don't want to buy your nasi lemak. Now people with brain will just tell the customer to look elsewhere. But what you would do is order nasi lemak FROM OTHER STALLS 3 TIMES for the customer to try. ROFL. And I suppose you're expecting the customer to come back to your stall to eat nasi lemak from other stalls because you're so kind-hearted? HAHAHAHA. You're fucking soft in the head. This is your idea of doing business? Your own nasi lemak you don't sell you go out of your way to intro other stall nasi lemak better than yours. Are you retarded? Making self-entitled cheapos like you happy is the highway to closure. Who in his right mind expects an OKT to sabotage himself? I just walk out and go to the next house. But you so bigshot you expect OKTs to call 3 rounds of WLs for you. HAHAHA

You're so dirt poor you started a thread to solicit points because you can't afford to pay for a sammyboy membership which comes with a truckload of points. I think it's just $20 per month. Cheebye la, later you meet me I pass you some change to join sammyboy as a member. Don't be like a desperate dog begging for points la. Later the WLs think all Sporean fucking cheap like you. $20 a month also don't spend rather beg online. Knn you this kind of customer scaring the meimei away.

So here's my suggestion to you. Since you so 'smart', you open one house. We all go your brothel see you how good. If you no brothel and don't even have money to pay sammyboy membership, fuck off back to your thread and continue begging for your points.

By the way hor, don't write under the false illusion that nobody knows who you are in real life. You're a cheapskate ex runner that OKTs find fucking useless and so they ditched you. Now you got a bone to grind because without the 'benefits', you got no money to call wan. You're a fucking loser in real life and a fucking loser online. As you yourself have said many times, you're just a roadsweeper. So go sweep the roads and stop trying to act smart when you got no money.

THAT IS ALL? HAHAHA. Are you retarded?

All these houses meet your requirements. How is their business? HAHAHAHA. OKTs who wanna have as 'good' business as these houses should follow you. I guess business at 1856 and 2040 is roaring? Roadsweeper really roadsweeper brain. LOL.

Don't talk so much cock la. The truth is that YOU WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE A VIP AND TRY TO ACT KNOWLEDGABLE ONLINE when you're just a fucking cheapskate who knows shit. THE REAL REASON WHY YOU'RE SO UNHAPPY WITH OKTS AND STOPPED WRITING FRS IS BECAUSE THEY GOT SICK OF YOU SHAMELESSLY ASKING FOR 'BENEFIT'. From what you expect of OKT, it is obvious you demand a lot from WL.

Apart from these few houses that the counter staff give you good service, the rest of Geylang can't be fucked with you. You're well known as the fucker who like to look see but no money to call. So fuck off. When I go to a house I hate seeing care lair fare like you.

If your list shows anything, it shows that you're a CURSE and houses that can be bothered to entertain you sure see their business go 'up'. :)

Tell me, since 1856 counter staff provides premium service and you say follow your guru ideas can have many customers, how many WLs they have now? Why did the last batch go? How the fuck you support 1856 WL until the last batch go back? Say the house good but never support, right? Either that or the last batch got scared thinking all customers are jackass like you but demand private viewing room and ran for their lives. Cheebye you 1856 regular leh. You say you endorse the house sure business good. So tomorrow I go see should easily have 10 WL and full house, right? Fucking idiot. Big mouth, empty wallet.

You're making a fool of yourself. Please continue to go to these shops with 'good' business and enjoy yourself. I prefer to visit the shops that the WLs and OKTs don't cater to roadsweepers like you.

Seriously, spend more time trying to increase your own income instead of writing training manual for OKTs. I tell you a secret. The WLs don't need training lah. The problem is YOU. Next time you go, you take out $100 put on table. They auto service very good. Cheapos like you who come online and kpkb about 2831A slight price increase won't get good service. You fucking never tip BUT expect the sky and moon.

Instead of just tipping the WL like normal people, you ask the OKT to ask the WL to give you special service. Fuck you're a clown. And you wonder why OKTs see you as shit. It's already 2018. GL price never increase hor and here you are still expecting training for your fucking $80 WL.

Knn you come out of which hole? Still living in 1990? Got WL come here to fuck for an hr for so little already very good. You still thinking about training. Really a brainless and penniless monkey. Do yourself and this forum a favour. Fuck off to your 'please give me points because I have no money to join sammyboy as a member' thread and go hang out at those 'good' business house.

Re: 1649 2047
 

I don’t really wish to argue with you.

But let me ask you a simple question.

Why are you so defensive when anyone says anything negative about 1649?:confused:

Why do you need to insult anyone that has a bad feedback on 1649 as small spenders or what? And call them names?

Even a customer that goes to Geylang just once in his whole life has a right to share his experience here in this forum.

It’s nothing personal. Just making suggestions for improvement.

There’s no need to insult others.

And what does it have to do with you when people commment on 1649?

Why do you take it so personally? And why the need for the personal attacks?

I wasn't defensive. I started the Ms Geylang thread. My lampa song I start. You are forum expert ah? What promotional thread? You got problem? Fuck you, chao cheebye. I never defended any bad FR or 1649. Don't come and talk cock. I respond to attacks on MY posts.

I am more than happy to say that Ah Seng is a cunt. Ah Seng is a cunt, Ah Seng is a cunt. Happy? Think whole GL also know. You siao ah, everyday whine online about how bad the OKT treat you? Your personal problem with OKT you keep repeating to the whole world. Knn come I give you sweet don't cry, okay? Aawww poor baby always kena fuck by Ah Seng. Come come, I sayang you. LOL

You're a bigger cunt and just a fucking loser whining online about OKTs. Cheebye, you know what is called Geylang? You expecting Four Seasons hotel customer service in...Geylang? HAHAHAHA You're a fucking monkey. Writing page after page about ISO service. KNN fuck you la. You know what is a red light district? And the best part is, you can't afford to eat at Four Seasons. LOL

Look, from your non-stop whining, everyone here gets it. Ah Seng and Auntie don't like you and can't be fucked with you. Try to be aware that they are perfectly fine with other customers and you look like a retard for whining non-stop.

For whatever reason (maybe it has to do with you're a cheapo who wants a private room where you can see CLEARLY and must call girls 3x for his majesty's viewing pleasure and still never call), people don't like your monkey face. My advice to you is get over it. Just fuck him or fuck off from his shop. He is pioneer citizen you also scared to fuck him ah? Tell him his attitude sucks la. You whine online for fuck?

Personally, I don't have a problem with any OKTs and who gives a shit about OKTs? They are just there to collect money. But since you have so much problem, go tell the OKTs they suck and stop boring everyone with your pathetic whining.

You can fuck Ah Seng and whichever OKT you like all you want. I just grew tired of reading your roadsweeper ideas on business and your whining because you're a fucking cheapskate who has no balls to tell the OKTs off. I come here to read FR. Not the tales of an $80 one session only idiot who gets bullied by OKTs. You're just a disgrunted ex-runner that the OKTs discarded like a rag doll when they realised you're a hopeless idiot always asking for benefits because you can't afford to tip the WL. So get over yourself and fuck off.

You have a right to share your opinion. I also have a right to share my opinion. And my opinion is that you are a fucking monkey who wants OKTs to provide you with a private viewing room. Otherwise, you're going to write another long essay about 2831A price increase. Gong cheebye, it's only $50. You want you take. You can't afford, fuck off. Talk so much for what?

Thanks for the useless information that nobody gives a shit about.

Re: 1649 2047
 

Hi 123hu, thank you for making those very personal attacks just because I commented on 1649 and what I think is good for business.

1649 ah Seng needs to thank you, because as long as such heavy handed tactics are used to shut down honest and helpful opinions on his house in the forum (even if they are negative), he will never see me or my buddies step into his house again.

And no, I don’t act like a big shot. I just fuck and go. I share opinions to hopefully help everyone have a better and happier Geylang experience. Sorry if that offends anyone but I mean well.

But since according to you, I’m a cheapo and what not, I guess ah Seng won’t miss my business.

Don't worry yourself coming up with some long post filled with insults again. You've "won" already. I will not be commenting on 1649 or his other house 2047 anymore.

Cheers and have a nice day.

Re: 1649 2047
 

Your $80 every month will be terribly missed. You mistook me for someone who gives a shit which longkang you go. Many people also don't step into 1649. Just call from other house la. KNN only you fucking loser must declare. Am I suppose to cry? WAH you and your lanjiao buddies not going to 1649 anymore? Aawwww...so sad. Kor kor don't leh.

Pity the 1856 WLs who had to service you and your lanjiao buddies. Thanks to your self praised 'helpful' comments and support and fuckwit business acumen, the previous 1856 batch all left in record time. You're as helpful as a bald tyre.

Fuck off la jackass. Do update us when 1856, 2040, 2033 or whichever house installs a private room for your royal highness. By the way, let me thank you on behalf of all those OKTs. Thank you for sending all those cheebyes who expect private viewing room and to see 3 rounds of WLs their way. They are forever grateful to you for introducing such morons to them.

With the storm of retards who have these kind of 'helpful' demanding expectations headed their way, one can only feel sorry for the WLs on duty. The WLs must be laughing in their toes when you show them how clever you are, telling them their boss should install a private viewing room and someone should train them in shower, massage and AR. LOL. Here comes the $80 retard.

Like I said, you were dumped by the OKTs who grew sick of your requests for special treatment. That's why you stopped writing your promo FR. But still you clung around the forum hoping to prove your usefulness with your hopeless list. You're like a fucking baby whining about why you don't write FRs anymore like anyone cares that you don't.

Why don't you make youself useful and tell us 1856 got how many WL and which one is good? Since you rave about the premium service and good business? Fucking retard.

Re: 1649 2047
 

If you don’t give a fuck to my post:rolleyes:

Then don’t bother to reply :confused:

Anyway My post is not replying to you :eek:

I am talking to BG

Re: 1649 2047
 

So much fireworks

I guess let’s not go too extreme.
Bro 123hu, peaceful discussion better than hardline insults across. Nobody wins.

IMHO In GL the customer experience involves both the WL and the okt. Of course the WL contributes more than 90% of the satisfaction, sometimes after a wonderful fuck session I don’t even remember what the okt did good or bad but just collect money from me.

For good okt Before the session some okt who are good service who will call different girls for me to view, or will chase on the girls I am waiting for. Not all okt will do it. Some only push in-house girls.

But I guess before the customer gets a girl to bonk and he kena rude comments and poor customer service, then of course customer angry. Well the suggestion next time to call the WL from other house is ok for the girls. The business $80 goes to the girl for her work anywhere.

I guess the bad comments on 1649 are personal opinion of some customers. I have no issues with aunty so far. Doesn’t mean they don’t give bad service. I don’t know for a fact. But there are always better houses with good okt customer service. So customers have a choice.

Got to clarify when I went 2831a I paid 150 so that misunderstanding of 200 seems deep-rooted. Not sure if they asked new customers for 200?

Anyway I wanted to post some comments on Yuan Yuan who is good bonk for me. Pretty and friendly.
Propose to focus the writing on the WL and not in-fighting

Re: 1649 2047
 

Absolutely without a doubt, Yuan Yuan is a fantastic WL both in terms of attitude and service.

Re: 1649 2047
 

Need to share more of such girls to distract the guys from continuing their debates and expressions of dislikes for each other.

Focus on the WLs

Re: 1649 2047
 

Fully agree bro!
I only concentrate on the gals and FRs, okt’s attitude is secondary.

But ironically the fireworks started after I wrote abt 1649 Yang Yang.

Anyway I’ve to comment in fairness that the Aunty’s attitude has mellowed significantly.
Maybe I was lucky went at the right times.
Maybe it’s cos I just locked in target based on the FR recommendations by other bros and asked for specific targets without checking out the other gals.

I’m also trying to find time to sample 1649 Yuan Yuan next after Xia Tian and Yang Yang earlier.

Re: 1649 2047
 

Fat Fatt,

I appreciate people who talk sense and are civil. I have no patience for empty heads who keep shooting their mouth off over posts and threads I started. I simply wanted to have fun and this fucking blockhead claims my Ms Geylang thread is promotional. He then claims I defended OKTs and negative FRs when I had never done so.

We all know he used to write promo FR non-stop until the OKTs cut him loose. He then wastes everyone's time pouring out his personal grievances against OKTs. You will notice I have kept silent all this while because not my problem. But it's annoying to see this little boy grumble and grumble non-stop.

The problem with this idiot is the more he talks, the more he grows a sense of self-importance. The last straw came when he started to share his fuckwit business ideas on how OKTs should run their business. What on earth is this fucker going on about? It was the mind of a child writing drivel. Many houses have already closed, many have bad business and we all know the supply is drying up. And here you have this idiot writing training manual for WL when even getting WL to come is a massive problem. And he thinks he is 'helpful'. This idiot who still dreaming about having his ass licked has no sense of reality.

And hence, I lost my patience. Don't come and insult me and accuse me of shit and not expect a response.

MrBigBadBird,

Exactly.

I am here to read FRs and talk about CHICKS and BABES. I couldn't care less about OKTs who are GUYS. Any OKT that can bring in quality WLs are good. Any OKT with no WLs are bad. The rest is secondary.