KTVs to reopen: Hostessing banned

[bignehneh]

They are correct about the performance. Hostess perform blowjob on patrons so they are not wrong to say they are performers

[Penguin23]

Those who have chiong KTV for a long time, will understand that govt needs to always state the official position (i.e. Hostessing is illegal) but the enforcement is another thing altogether. The same article also goes on to say that hostessing will definitely happen in the "illegal" KTV joints - a clear sign that the government acknowledges hostessing and KTVs can never be separated - much like how gambling and prostitution will always coexist.

Some "new" rules will apply when KTVs reopen on Apr 19th - from what I understand, every room must have a working video camera recording and any room without a working videocam will not be allowed to operate. Masks will need to be worn at all times, and ART is required before entry. The rules also stipulate a 30-day requirement for the video camera recording, which the authorities can call up for spot-checks. The penalty for flouting these rules can result in revocation of license.

How strictly (or loosely) these will be enforced is the question mark. Pretty sure that in the first couple of months there will be frequent raids and perhaps a number of arrests and perhaps the revocation of license for some recalcitrant joints just so that the rest fall in line.

Personally, I think the first couple of months will not make for an enjoyable chiong experience - there are too many hungry chiongsters throwing stupid amounts of money and very few girls going around. The MOM webpage for Public Entertainer license application (aka "singer pass") clearly says that applications are currently not allowed and will likely be rejected. S-pass giels are few and rare, and their monthly costs for an Spass has shot up from roughly $3000/month to around $4500/month now - hence "butterfly" rates are now $100 and no longer $50

So the supply of girls are likely to come from girls on social visit pass (who manage to get through), or those few girls already in Singapore.

Expect to pay a premium, and for this to be a seller's market (so you will likely not have a good time).

My $0.02

[xxFTOxx]

Originally Posted by 3someking

SINGAPORE - Hostessing will be banned even as KTVs are allowed to reopen, but industry insiders say hostesses will still be plying their trade at illicit KTVs that are expected to continue operating illegally.

The police define hostessing as providing companionship to patrons through conversation or by consuming food or drinks together.


Jialat like these cheongsters how sia? Go KTV empty got no gals. Play with own kkj.

Bro no difference from pre covid times la. Last time in ktv room be it zara or Leo the moment room light on all the girls rush out of the joint. It’s the same story again. Since when hostessing allowed in these lup sup joints. Just don’t get caught with ur pants down can already. These places will have lookouts one. I just hope the damn prices go down la. Now knn everyone paying the new normal price

[chiongster88]

Wait for sitrep lah...mai kan cheong. Let the front scouts recce in april.

[Xyberduke]

Most hostess even before Covid was illegal leh…. Where got so much permits per ktv…

They will just buy a drink, keep the receipt and be a “customer” socialising amongst room Loh… nothing wrong what

Even in a normal pub, which man will refuse a drink with a beautiful woman when approached.. haha

[paulcum2sooon]

Well said.

Rule 1.do what u want, don't get caught
Rule 2. If statement required (questioned by authorities), 'we don't need another hero'

BTW, I didn't know about the video cameras in rooms rule.

Originally Posted by Penguin23

Those who have chiong KTV for a long time, will understand that govt needs to always state the official position (i.e. Hostessing is illegal) but the enforcement is another thing altogether. The same article also goes on to say that hostessing will definitely happen in the "illegal" KTV joints - a clear sign that the government acknowledges hostessing and KTVs can never be separated - much like how gambling and prostitution will always coexist.

Some "new" rules will apply when KTVs reopen on Apr 19th - from what I understand, every room must have a working video camera recording and any room without a working videocam will not be allowed to operate. Masks will need to be worn at all times, and ART is required before entry. The rules also stipulate a 30-day requirement for the video camera recording, which the authorities can call up for spot-checks. The penalty for flouting these rules can result in revocation of license.

How strictly (or loosely) these will be enforced is the question mark. Pretty sure that in the first couple of months there will be frequent raids and perhaps a number of arrests and perhaps the revocation of license for some recalcitrant joints just so that the rest fall in line.

Personally, I think the first couple of months will not make for an enjoyable chiong experience - there are too many hungry chiongsters throwing stupid amounts of money and very few girls going around. The MOM webpage for Public Entertainer license application (aka "singer pass") clearly says that applications are currently not allowed and will likely be rejected. S-pass giels are few and rare, and their monthly costs for an Spass has shot up from roughly $3000/month to around $4500/month now - hence "butterfly" rates are now $100 and no longer $50

So the supply of girls are likely to come from girls on social visit pass (who manage to get through), or those few girls already in Singapore.

Expect to pay a premium, and for this to be a seller's market (so you will likely not have a good time).

My $0.02

[3someking]

Originally Posted by paulcum2sooon

Well said.

Rule 1.do what u want, don't get caught
Rule 2. If statement required (questioned by authorities), 'we don't need another hero'

BTW, I didn't know about the video cameras in rooms rule.

No such thing as video cams in rooms rule. Last time they want to implement that but given that its already endemic, I dont think they doing so. Nowadays also no more contact tracing given that people get covid almost everywhere in spore. Doesnt make sense. I dont think Teo Heng also adopt that kind of surveillence to have video cams in room rule. But still have to safe entry when enter KTV joints to differentiate vax from unvax. ART not needed in ktv joints unless it has a dancefloor.

[CPTMiller]

Originally Posted by Penguin23

Those who have chiong KTV for a long time, will understand that govt needs to always state the official position (i.e. Hostessing is illegal) but the enforcement is another thing altogether. The same article also goes on to say that hostessing will definitely happen in the "illegal" KTV joints - a clear sign that the government acknowledges hostessing and KTVs can never be separated - much like how gambling and prostitution will always coexist.

Some "new" rules will apply when KTVs reopen on Apr 19th - from what I understand, every room must have a working video camera recording and any room without a working videocam will not be allowed to operate. Masks will need to be worn at all times, and ART is required before entry. The rules also stipulate a 30-day requirement for the video camera recording, which the authorities can call up for spot-checks. The penalty for flouting these rules can result in revocation of license.

How strictly (or loosely) these will be enforced is the question mark. Pretty sure that in the first couple of months there will be frequent raids and perhaps a number of arrests and perhaps the revocation of license for some recalcitrant joints just so that the rest fall in line.

Personally, I think the first couple of months will not make for an enjoyable chiong experience - there are too many hungry chiongsters throwing stupid amounts of money and very few girls going around. The MOM webpage for Public Entertainer license application (aka "singer pass") clearly says that applications are currently not allowed and will likely be rejected. S-pass giels are few and rare, and their monthly costs for an Spass has shot up from roughly $3000/month to around $4500/month now - hence "butterfly" rates are now $100 and no longer $50

So the supply of girls are likely to come from girls on social visit pass (who manage to get through), or those few girls already in Singapore.

Expect to pay a premium, and for this to be a seller's market (so you will likely not have a good time).

My $0.02

You are right.
The girls quantity will take a few months before stabilize.
So going on 19th April will be rushing and deep pocket $$$ needed.

[gingerhorn]

Originally Posted by CPTMiller

You are right.
The girls quantity will take a few months before stabilize.
So going on 19th April will be rushing and deep pocket $$$ needed.

I wait two years liao so ill wait another 6 mths.

[Willamshakspear]

Singapore is an equal society, where both male & females are equal, with equal opportunities in life, upheld by our sacred National Pledge written by our great Founding Fathers & sworn by all since 6 yrs old.


Males & females are given the freedom to study, to work, & to mingle, to drink, to socialize in all kinds of settings in their leisure hours, from gala charity dinners, to office party events, to even KTV, with hopes that with such opportunities, to build serious relationships, build a family & increase our national birth rates. Having great aims to be a tourism hub, such events allow both foreign males & females equally in all settings, with themselves or with local females & males, which attracts many, with many freedoms & is a revenue spinner for the National treasury


Hostessing was & still is banned in KTV for many reasons. Amongst them are - to prevent Human trafficking, to protect local employment & industry growth, to discourage criminal activities such as scams, & especially to prevent the decline of National foreign currency reserves as the huge tips given by the foolish in Spore dollars - est $9,000/mth/hostess X 1 million indulgent Sporeans = $9 billion Spore$ exchanged for hostesses own nation's currencies per month by remittances.



Thus, may KTV operators follow the law-not to employ hostess, BUT equally uphold equality & assist in our national tourism aims to bring in more revenue - be open to all, male or female, to socialize & drink freely. ANY woman who DEMANDS or SOLICITATE for monetary returns from the ones she socializes or mamasan-wanna-be to extort money should not be allowed. The customer is free to give her tips, if he feels the companionship is worthy & should not be forced upon, & can be in any amount deem fit.


So for women who are in need of money, they can talk to the men & discuss for help. If the man is unable to help, then she is free to walk away to find another, a choice she has & so too the man, a social etiquette practiced even in high end gala charity dinners seeking for funds.

If the woman who needs financial help is smart, she should not be looking for high dollar tippers but go for quantity instead. $100 or $50 tips are few & rare, with equally high expectations, but tipper offering $10 or $20 are MORE, & can easily get $300 in financial aid per nite.


The police dept had been given broad sweeping powers on enforcement of the govt's interpretation of 'hostess'. Thus, for its own survival, may KTV operators ensure that there is no coercion by women or mamasan-wanna-be, or else if men whom are harrassed, police reports will be made that will ensure that particular KTV license be suspended. This requirement is an OPPORTUNITY for KTV operators to SELF REGULATE as a service provider to ALL & society, to correct itself or else be assured the govt will help to regulate this industry through Parliamentary legislation.

[Willamshakspear]

Tipping or in its purest form- to help a service provider or one in need to survive in the daily struggle to live, is only common from those whom have a big heart & able to give & survive.

How much should one tip or give aid?

In USA, most of whom are big hearted folks, of which helped & influenced our nation success & progress in many, many ways for decades, tips & finance for charity causes are usually at 10% for service or aid to be provided, which leaves one to survive, cause if we cant survive, then we cant help others.

To help our neighboring Asian countries fellow Humans, which had a lack of leadership & commitment/opportunities to their citizens, a form of voluntary Redistribution of Wealth to those in needs, we Sporeans only need to look at the daily wage of a fellow human in that particular nation.

In Vietnam, which is a majority on social passes now, it is USD $150/mth = USD $5/day.

In Thailand, it is USD $10 per day.

Based upon knowledge learnt from successful Asian neighbors & once superpowers in Singapore, on their needs for a sustainable life-

Indians-would save EVERY penny to their death
Chinese - would take risks but expect $3 for every dollar spent
Westerners, especially Americans - risk it all, spend big & earn big, or go broke in flames of glory.

So, if women denied of opportunities from their homeland, & seek better opportunities in life here, they would in economic sense, want at least to earn 3 times their salary per day elsewhere, being asians.

Thus, if they are given tips 3 times of their daily avg wage, they would be satisfied on a psychological sense, as probably at least 1 X time of their wage would pay for opportunistic mamasan & living costs-packed rental & meagre food for the duration of their stay = minus overheads, USD$20 A DAY / NOT PER PERSON, for Vietnamese from ALL customers where they work, or USD$40 a day for a thai. Anything more is a bonus daily. ( USD $1 = S$ 1.35cts)

The only ones who would not agree to such tip fees are the opportunistic mamasans, whom may had foolishly paid S$20k to S$40k to their nation's middlemen & local black market conmen to 'ease' the way for their girls thru their connections, to come here to seek financial aid, as these aged mamasans want to recoup their costs, live off the girls earnings, without realizing that Spore is the lowest in International Corruption index, unlike other nations such as Malaysia, Dubai, etc without the need for bribes to anyone in Spore, & had only been duped by conmen, being new in a foreign land to their own.

Point is - As we Sporeans had been taught to study & work hard & smart, may we all now also learn to play smart, especially the vulnerable & the lonely hearts. Our principle in life is to Hurt no one & do not be hurt by anyone.

[kombust]

Originally Posted by Xyberduke

Most hostess even before Covid was illegal leh…. Where got so much permits per ktv…

They will just buy a drink, keep the receipt and be a “customer” socialising amongst room Loh… nothing wrong what

Even in a normal pub, which man will refuse a drink with a beautiful woman when approached.. haha

probably why some joints enforce ladies' drink

[jacky43]

The mother of all question? Past 3 yrs of CB and restrictions. How these foreign women on travelling passes can come into this red dot? All of us knew they are here to operate illegal RLD business.

I wrote many times. 1 more down the road. At market places. Only CB times were very quiet. After it make shift fun fairs stalls managed by Malaysian Chinese on s passes, working 7 days a week. I notice. Many stores lock off after 12 pm. At least who ever brought them here enforced this business hrs.

How are we going to get out of this pickle? Till a cure is found.

[TheIdesOfMarch]

Originally Posted by jacky43

The mother of all question? Past 3 yrs of CB and restrictions. How these foreign women on travelling passes can come into this red dot? All of us knew they are here to operate illegal RLD business.

I wrote many times. 1 more down the road. At market places. Only CB times were very quiet. After it make shift fun fairs stalls managed by Malaysian Chinese on s passes, working 7 days a week. I notice. Many stores lock off after 12 pm. At least who ever brought them here enforced this business hrs.

How are we going to get out of this pickle? Till a cure is found.

Someone wrote about this in international media.

Didn't end well for him with how the gov fixed him.

Even though even CNA did an Undercover Asia documentary on the very same issue. But hey, if state media reports on it, must be true and acceptable, if a private citizen writes about it and it gets published by a non-SG media outlet, must be false and wrong and the guy must get his dirt dug up about him to destroy his reputation and life in SG as revenge.

[AHKIVE]

Originally Posted by Willamshakspear

Singapore is an equal society, where both male & females are equal, with equal opportunities in life, upheld by our sacred National Pledge written by our great Founding Fathers & sworn by all since 6 yrs old.

If equal why have the condition that the president must be a malay?